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Have we done some good work in the transfer market, yes outstanding and all very sensibly. Are we missing Britt, simple answer no.
The club has turned a corner and going in a new direction, which some fans need to follow suit. Let us be positive to see where the club can progress with everyone on board. We have ridden our luck at times, who cares, will it come back to haunt us, possibly. Will our team defend better as a whole? Yes, they will. Is our team scoring goals and playing in an exciting way, yes and I hope long may it continue.
Early days but the likes of Murphy et al are delivering, probably to the annoyance of some supporters. Questions about recruiting players who are too old, too slow, too short, too this, too that, whatever, Clough did not care if the player was right at that time. This club is moving in the right direction. We will lose games, we will play badly, that my friends is football. It is how we comeback after defeat and what we learn from the setbacks. I am confident this group of players and management will take us a long way forward. I have not been this excited about Forest for so long.
Andrew, Bristol - 23/08/2017
Hi all Chris, Southern Red here. It's been a while since I've sent anything in but I can't sit by and say nothing after the really good start to the season we are having. The reason for posting is I would like some of you out there to think back to last season and how very, very close we were to being relegated, and bearing that in mind, ask if there is any chance of you glass half-empty chaps to try and switch to glass half-full? We have played 4 league games and won 3, and still will improve once the new players fully gel, so please no more negativity. Let's all get behind the players and staff, I have a really good feeling about this season. It just might be a little bit special.
Southern Red - 21/08/2017
A game of two halves in my opinion. We were allowed to play football in the first 45 mins and were able to match or even better the opposition's skills. In the second half Middlesbrough came out to play in a more physical way which didn't help to calm any Forest fans' nerves. Gestede became even more of a nuisance in the air and we all know what he did at The City Ground a few years ago!
Whilst our defence battled within its own capabilities we looked continuously vulnerable trying to deal with high balls. It was no surprise when we finally capitulated leaving a more than nail biting last ten minutes. Did we ever feel the same when we had the likes of Larry Lloyd etc in our team?
Whilst I wouldn't want to take anything away from our success I do feel Lady Luck has been on our side so far this season-- and Mr Assombalonga's poor display! The tide will turn of course but with their experience surely management realises precisely this and are planning accordingly?
John Rider (Old Timer) Worksop - 20/08/2017
First well done for a great display against Boro.
First half, superb football.
2nd half, a battle. A little luck at times but the players should take heart from how they dug in.
Great support from The Reds' fans.
But my main reason for writing.
Can the club get involved in the partnership scheme with the Big Issue as Southampton have done?
It's a great idea and would be of benefit to both the club and the Big Issue organisation.
I'm sure Southampton would be only too willing to help and advise.
All the best.
Hutcho - 20/08/2017
We are apparently interested in a Leeds midfielder. Well now he's 5ft 9in tall!!!! Enough said.
John Rider 6ft 3in (Old Timer) Worksop - 18/08/2017
Just a quick line to say that I have been extremely impressed by the style and brilliance of the football from this excellent Forest team so far this season. I went to Barnsley last night and watched us play some truly wonderful football at times and although we didn't win, it was an absolute pleasure to watch. The boy from Everton is cut above, I had never even heard of him before he arrived, but he is a really class player. His first touch buys him two yards and his awareness reminds me very much of Nigel Clough - but probably more mobile. He will no doubt play at the very highest level, we are very lucky to have signed him. I really hope some of the fans don't react to the defeat in the wrong way because in my opinion, I would rather watch us play this way and lose than endure some of the turgid rubbish we have been served up over the last few years. We all want to win every week but the Championship is an Uber competitive league and you will get results like this over a season. I think we probably deserved that after the Millwall escape. I think this team is that skillful at times, we will inevitably get a tilt at the play offs playing this way. Well done to Mark Warburton and his team for restoring the entertainment value and so quickly too. Please carry on, its like having your old football team back!
Chris Rudzki - 17/08/2017
The same problems I'm afraid. Handling set pieces and high balls to the far post continue to give us major problems. We are sadly lacking a tall commanding centre back
Millwall should have scored five. Brentford should have got two more at least and Barnsley saw us off with yet another set piece disaster.
Of course we fair no better with our finishing.
Haven't we all seen this before?
John Rider (Old Timer) Worksop - 16/08/2017
I know this is going to sound a bit like a cracked record - especially if you follow the Nottingham Forest banter and rumour sites - but I am really perplexed at why we keep picking and playing Matt Mills.
Virtually all our defensive frailties spring from this source and ripple out to the back four - as well as to our potentially excellent keeper.
If we are going to get one more player then it HAS to be a centre back replacement for Mills.
In the meantime can we at least play Hobbs - or even Lichaj in that position.
Anybody but calamity Mills.
Plug this gaping hole in our defences and we can begin to be serious contenders.
Lamberto - 16/08/2017
It is clear to see from all 3 performances so far in the league that our defence needs serious attention. It's great to see the boys trying to play out from the back and possession football, but as we push forward, our defence is not strong enough to counter the opposition attacks. Instead of looking for a new goalkeeper I think we need to be looking for a commanding centre back and a strong defensive midfielder. If we fill these two positions, I can see a top 10 finish.
Jersey Red - 16/08/2017
Great start by the boys. Great away support at Brentford.
So come on City Ground catch up. Let's lift the noise level to match.
Great display from the Trent End before the Millwall game. Well done Forza Garibaldi!
Still far too quiet though.
We should be able to out sing the Bridgford End and the Away fans put together !!
I'm an old codger and if it's too quiet for me in the Trent End then something must be wrong.
In the old days the Trent End was special and it could be again.
All wall of noise.
So come on my fellow reds let's give it some!
Hutcho - 14/08/2017
As an overseas fan, I have spent years listening to the (excellent) radio commentary through Forest Player and have put a lot of effort into maximising the number of games that I can actually watch via an array of online sites. So, I just wanted to express my absolute delight with iFollow!! What a difference this will make for me this season to be able to watch every game, with the radio commentary AND with a full match replay, not to mention the slo-mo capability. Fabulous.
Phil, Nova Scotia - 10/08/2017
Either the Editor has been on holiday at the start of August or perhaps because we have won the first two games the fans have not written in, as there is not too much to moan about so far?
Two indifferent performances but most importantly two wins with most of the squad utilised. Encouraging signs from some of the new young players in McKay, Cummings and Dowell.
It is going to be a tough league this year but early signs have not dimmed my optimism in seeing us improve considerably on last season.
Andrew, Bristol Red - 10/08/2017
What a great 3 points. Lions against Kittens at times. The passing game neutralised by high pressing and a tempo we couldn't match. No plan B but we won the game and you can't ask more than that. Superb goal from McKay, great goalkeeping display to keep us in the game. Vaughan did his best to prop up a lightweight midfield and what a player Dowell looks. So, all in all there are a few positives. 3points is a good start.
Phil, Burton Joyce Red - 05/08/2017
I would just like to pass on my express gratitude to the new owners of our great club.
As a season ticket holder and an away member who attends every game, every season. I for one have not felt such optimism for many years.
The whole place just has a completely more fresh and upbeat feel about it and I just like everyone else cannot wait for Millwall.
Let us all get 150% behind the team, no negativity if we're not 10 points clear by the end of September.
There's nothing like The City Ground when it's rocking especially in the Lower Bridgford where I am.
The Ipswich game is how the place should be all the time so lets get behind the boys in full voice and make the place intimidating for everyone else.
Come On Yooooouuuu Reeeedddssss.
Steve May (Lower Bridgford) - 28/07/2017
Well the anticipation is almost boiling over.
And I for one can't wait.
An improvement on and off the pitch is what I'm expecting. Challenging at the top half of the table is what I'm hoping for. Realism with a touch of optimism. What I'm wishing for as well is for the City Ground to become a cauldron of noise. Forza Garibaldi a fan based movement,are trying to help bring this about and I welcome their efforts. There's nothing like it when we are in full voice. It's special and some of the younger players will thrive on the atmosphere created.
If you want an idea of what it could be like I suggest having a look at the fans of our now "sister club" Olympiacos on you tube as to what sort of support they generate at their games. Amazing !
So another season of hope. Let's give it some and play our part.
Come on Reds fans front up!
All the best,
Hutcho - 28/07/2017
It's beginning to look like a well-balanced squad, with good quality cover in pretty well all departments.
I'm getting quite optimistic................hope they live up to my modest expectations.
An under the radar sneak into the playoffs will do me fine.
Towcester Red - 26/07/2017
A new season dawns with the usual anticipation and excitement that it always brings. Already we see the varying views held with regard to the manager's/board's transfer decisions and the pundits predictions for our anticipated league position and what would be acceptable.
For me this is a season of great promise and anticipation with an owner/board/manager and support staff of experience/integrity and seemingly a genuine love and respect for the club.Things can and will get better-much better and sooner rather than later.
As a long time supporter, having seen my first game against Burnley in 1957 at the City Ground this is the most eagerly awaited season for a long time, full of anticipation and with a genuine feel that with a good start to the season,a safe league position after Christmas and with the addition of a couple of players a push towards the play-offs could be possible.
Come on you reds' fans,support your team,and that includes individual players having an off game, through the difficult times as well as the good and let's cheer them on to success..
Peter Jessop - 23/07/2017
So two friendlies, six goals scored & zero conceded! That is pretty good going so far & long may it continue! Ok, so it was against lower league opposition but even Premier League clubs have struggled against lower league team so far this pre-season so I am delighted with our start. All the players deserve a mention especially Vellios as I really do believe that he could be far better than Assombalonga was and I never thought I would say that!!
L Sharp, Hampshire Red - 22/07/2017
Oh my goodness, here we go again! Season has not even started and fans are moaning already. For goodness sake Mark do not lose our first two or three league matches or your head will be on the chopping block quicker than Anne Boleyn's! Please guys, Britt was never going to stay, he wanted out and more money which Forest could not pay him, no amount of persuading would have kept him. He went to Boro over Burnley because they offered him more wages per week and Burnley would not meet it. Credit should be given to the likes of a certain Chris Cohen who appreciates what the club has done for him over the years and is showing loyalty by staying and giving something back; quite a few players in the top divisions should take a leaf out of his book, thank you Chris. I remember Matt Le Tissier taking awful stick and being accused of lack of ambition by not leaving Southampton for a bigger club but his loyalty was fantastic. Maybe even some of our fans could learn a lesson there. get behind the new owners, the manager, the staff and the players, enjoy the season and hopefully we can build a push for the Premiership like other clubs. It does not always happen overnight. Will be behind you all the way lads as we have been for the last fifty years.
Brian Clough Lower fan - 21/07/2017
I for one am a little concerned about MW's recruitment policy; yes we have in theory 15 million in the bank to improve the squad but we already have Brereton, Cummings and Vellios all vying for number 9 with Clough and arguably Benny Osborn able to play behind the front man.
Vellios has never been given a run in the team. Surely it would make more sense to invest in strengthening the back four (just look at our goals conceded record last season) and in a creative midfield player rather than panic to replace Britt when we may, just may, have enough fire power to compensate.
With a flowing, dynamic midfield we would be able to supply the bullets for Cummings/Vellios/Brereton to fire. I don't want to see another forward - and Murphy at 2 million and at 34 is a risk - come in at the expense of not boosting the midfield.
ShrewsburyRed - 20/07/2017
I am at a bit of a loss to understand the reaction of many Nottingham Forest fans to Britt Assombalonga's departure, many of them forecasting doom, gloom and relegation on the strength of it.
Consider this. First...do we really want to keep a player who has himself stated he wants to leave? Why would we keep a player against his will with the result that he just goes through the motions each week just enough to keep him in the shop window, whilst we pay him a handsome salary? That would be a nonsense. We want players who are totally comitted to the Nottingham Forest cause and who are willing to bust a gut week in and week out, not only when we play the likes of Derby on a sunny Saturday afternoon but also when we are at the likes of Barnsley or Burton on a wet Tuesday night in November.
Secondly – we didn't exactly set the league alight last season when he was playing for us. I seem to remember something about surviving by the skin of our teeth on the last day. OK – he did score a couple of goals that day to make that happen, for which due gratitude to the lad - but he was hardly the talisman from heaven propelling us headlong towards the Premier League.
Consider also the sale of Antonio a couple of years back, which provoked a similar outcry. Again – another player who publicly said he wanted to leave and guess what? We looked a much better team when he had gone because we no longer played an entirely predictable 'give it to Antonio every time' game, which most of the opposition sussed out and dealt with fairly easily.
Don't misunderstand me here. I was as much of a fan of Assombalonga as everyone else but the point is that for the good of the team as a whole, a player who wants away is not worth keeping. There is also a question mark remaining over his long term fitness...and it was good money compared to what we paid for the lad, even with the Peterborough sell-on clause.
Assombalonga's departure will also lead to more opportunities to play for the likes of Brereton, Cummings and anyone else who may come in and we may just see them blossom and prosper more and earlier, than they might otherwise have done. I'm with Mark Warburton on this one. I think it was good business.
As for Britt himself, I am by no means sure as to whether he made the right choice in Middlesbrough - hardly a name which sets the football world aflame for all their 'parachute' spending – when it is entirely possible that he could have gone to play in the Premier League. It does seem rather more mercenary than for genuine football reasons. But for all that I wish the lad all the best. Something about making your own bed and then having to lie on it. Time will tell.
Halfcenturyred - 20/07/2017
Maybe too much has already been written about the Britt saga but I have a mildly different challenge which responds to so many stating that £14M is good money. It is only good money if you replace what you have let go; we let Oliver Burke go just after the start of last season and struggled all season to replace his passion, strength and goals/supply. I remember everyone saying the money that we got for him was great but again only if you buy better in with the proceeds, if we had indeed gone down on the last day of the season then it would have proved to be a shocking piece of business.
And so back to Britt, £14M is not big money in the transfer market in the present day therefore MW has to be creative in the market to get in a 20+ machine because surely Vellios isn't the solution? I understand some of the points being made that players come and go but losing Britt, Oliver and Lansbury in recent memory means that we need to be more ambitious should we have desires to finish higher than 20th and invest the lion's share back in to the playing staff...with over £30M coming in through player sales please don't ask us to believe the threat of an embargo still looms.
Not negative, not positive, just realistic.
Renishaw Red - 19/07/2017
I watched Paul's video regarding Britts sale. He said that his wages are doubled would turn anyone's head. He said that if someone offered me double wages, I would look at it also. Yes I would. But what Paul doesn't say is that having my salary doubled I would still have to work till I'm 65+ to carve out a living. Where as Britt retiring at 30 would have trousered a pre tax sum of £18.75 million and 30+ years to enjoy it. So Paul please don't put ordinary working people in the same bracket because it don't wash with me.
Forest mad Malc - 19/07/2017
In the Derby game Britt had the boo boys on his back. I turned to my mate and said he'll leave because of this.
Why do I keep banging on about it? It's because the boo boys drove Nigel Doughty away and I don't want our new owners to suffer the same treatment before they have had the chance to put in place a new structure to the club. I don't want Ben Osborn driven away, especially to his hometown club Derby.
I want Mark and David to be given time to create an exciting, hard working team. I want the Forest fans to be the best. We need to be patient yet again! The merry go round we've all suffered has hardened some of our attitudes but with encouragement, I believe these young hungry players are capable of giving us a team to get behind and be proud of.
Can't wait for the season to kick off.
To all those who feel cheated by the sale of Britt, give it time and let's see.
I've seen some things supporting Forest desperate lows and miraculous highs. I'm not expecting miracles but I feel times are changing for the better.
Hutcho - 19/07/2017
Forget Britt he has gone.
We have had bigger players come and go over the years, many are now legends because of there outstanding commitment and loyalty to NFFC.
We now have the most exciting group of exceptional young talent, we have had in a good few years, mixed in with some experienced pros.
Lets now all look forward to a great season under MW's leadership
Any one know when the Season Cards are due to be mailed out?
Lichfield Red - 18/07/2017
The minute I read the letter from the new Chairman some weeks ago in which he said that we will have to make some unpleasant and unpopular decisions I knew immediately that BA was going to be sold.
I am disappointed that it is to another championship club but have to respect that they have parachute payments that we do not. And, I hope I am wrong but £14m is a good price considering BA's injury and the risk of him getting injured again.
I am not going to let the sale of BA spoil what has been a very encouraging start with MW and the new owners. I am likewise not going to "cash in" my Forest for promotion wagers, one man will not change us this year.
We do need a new striker, the youngsters we have are good but they may get a bit bullied by seasoned Championship defenders. MW has a good record with finding strikers so lets wait and see what he has up his sleeve.
Looking forward to this season more than I have for a long time.
Red Royston, Retford - 18/07/2017
Well well well? All our loyal supporters should have known wait until record season card sale then sell Britt.
Gutted we will just hope the money his given to MW sad Red.
Neil Radford, Bedford - 18/07/2017
So there we have it, the inevitable has happened. Lots of disgruntled fans who have paid hundreds/thousands of pounds for season cards only to see our prized asset depart, then again deep down, in the midst of the renewed optimism within the club I would like to think that most supporters would still have bought their cards to support the club.
Whatever our own emotion it is all about money for players, not loyalty. (save for a few examples - CC being one).
My own wish, which seems to have been a flaw whoever the owners are, is that club does NOT COMMUNICATE enough with its loyal fans. The statement on the website announcing BA departure was frankly pathetic and in no way took into account the expected feelings of the fans.
I know there can be sensitivity required when deals are being made but he has now gone so come on Forest please talk to us.
Paul Taylor of NP has written an article covering what in reality are the reasons for his departure, nothing we probably didn't know anyway, but surely that should have come from the club???
Anyway, onwards and upwards, hopefully MW has already ear marked a replacement and so we should get behind the club for the start of the new season.
C'mon you Reds.
Lifelong Red - 18/07/2017
Mixed feelings about B.A's departure but hope the money will be invested in buying players to improve our defensive weaknesses last season. We also need at least one quality defensive midfielder. I have also seen the offensive bile on F.Book which is a disgrace, from comments of burning down the City Ground to punching Britt.
I think with decent service Vellios can take over the role of No 9. He has never had a decent 20-game run in the team and did score our goal of the season. Let's be positive and see what unfolds in the next couple of weeks.
Nick Green - 18/07/2017
Best player sold again after we buy a season ticket. What is worse he thinks this is a good move to a better club. Shows just how far we have fallen from grace when we cannot keep our best players from going to the likes of Middlesbrough. Does anyone know how much of the transfer fee goes to Peterborough? I am sure they had a sell on fee clause?
Colin Monks - 18/07/2017
If you have Premier League money you can afford to spend £14m and take a chance on a good but injury-prone striker.
If you don't have Premier League money then you can't afford not to receive £14m for a good but injury-prone striker.
This is known as Financial Unfair Play.
Rob Gillman - 18/07/2017
I've not posted since well before the end of last season as was very disgruntled at the way last season panned out and the position the club found themselves in going into the Ipswich game. However, I was optimistic about the forthcoming season, trimming the squad to offload the players who frankly were just not good enough, and bringing in a proven goal scorer from Hibs, (which with hindsight was the sign that the club had already made up their mind to sell Britt).
But, now with the sale of Britt, I'm not so optimistic. He is a natural goal scorer and if he stays fit to play 40 games for Boro this season, he will score 25 goals or more quite comfortably, as I believe he would have done at Forest. His goals per game ratio with Forest and Peterborough is very good and I think the club should have held out for £20m for him, and someone would have paid it as natural goal scorers are like gold dust.
I just cannot believe that after a season out with his knee injury, the club gave Britt a new 5 year contract just under a year ago, which he has now walked away from. The club supported him during that year he missed and I feel that he should have shown some loyalty back. And why Boro? And why are Forest happy to sell to a club in their division? They will not be any better than Forest this season, and they play in front of a half empty stadium every time I see them playing on TV. No atmosphere, no excitement, so why there? Maybe Burnley and Watford weren't prepared to pay the £14m that Boro did, but from Britt's view, why not hold out for a move to a Prem club to play against better opposition. The only possible reason that he has moved is for money, there can be nothing else that is more attractive about a club like Boro, than Forest. He will be playing against the same opposition each week, in a side of similar standard but in a modern, but empty stadium.
I do wish him well, he comes across as a genuinely nice chap, but really do wish he had stayed with Forest for another year or 2, by which time I'm certain he would have scored a stack of goals in the Championship and then secured a move to a Prem club, Forest would have received a larger transfer fee and Britt would have been playing at a higher level, so good for everyone. Boro are such a dull side, and much as I like Monk as a manager, he won't get them promoted this season.
So in the last year, the club have sold Burke, Lansbury and now Britt, arguably their 3 best players, banking about £30m in the process. So don't tell me that we are dicing with the FFP rules after banking that sum of money. The money needs to be reinvested into a new striker, a new midfielder and a new full back and then we trust Warburtons judgement to get on with it don't we.
Adrian, Jersey Red - 18/07/2017
Now it is done first and foremost I want to say a big thank you to Britt Assombalonga for the goals that he has scored for Forest in particular the brace on the final day of the season which secured another year in the championship, looking at Britt's personality it seemed he was content at Forest but I guess not anyway good luck.
Now moving on I saw a comment from a fan on the Nottingham post suggest that now we have lost Britt we will fall into relegation whilst referring to stats, stats and even more stats. If that was the case what is the point in playing the 46 games? The league may as well say ' right it's the first game of the season who has the best team on paper, oh Boro you do, you can be promoted then'. Yes we have lost a big goal scorer however everyone played awful last season, our captain Chris Cohen pointed out that everyone had a poor season. With a manager and backroom staff at the helm that actually know what they are doing why do our supporters not think that they will be able to influence our current players to play to their ' or closer to their) potential. Brilliant individuals don't get you out of this league, a decent all around team do, one with chemistry and togetherness. and why we instantly are hoping for play offs and automatic promotion I don't know. Let's start to build something we can work on. Let's build a team that want to play for each other and die for each other.
Yes we do need to replace Britt and I hope a substantial amount of that transfer fee will be put in use to bring in a top striker. A few more positions such as full back and centre mid also need addressing but hopefully the days of everyone having a terrible season all at once are behind us. Whatever decisions Warburton and his team, McParland and the owners make I will be behind them.
At the end of the day if someone doesn't want to play for my club then I don't care how good they are I want them out the door, and that's nothing personal. Every club deserves players that want to play for them and for Forest that is what they need now more than ever. Let's be positive but not expect the world.
Richard Unwin - 18/07/2017
Simply COYR's - players come and go but it's always Forest who we care for!
Ian Dillon - 17/07/2017
The point I was making is I think Britt made his mind up to leave in the game against Derby when he was barracked by a large section of fans.
We can't afford to be like that on matchday, especially with a young side. It destroys confidence.
Hutcho - 17/07/2017
As I said earlier today, we have sold our best striker to a rival club for a pot of gold.
Really am getting sick of this every season. Year after year. When is an owner going to stand up and say no for once.
Show we have ambition to get out of the league. Another season of fighting relegation is now very much on the cards.
Garry, Rugby - 17/07/2017
Whilst I appreciate that the potential sale of Assombalonga is not the end of the world, but the point I personally was trying to make was who do we get to replace him? Who else within our current squad is going to bang loads of goals in? If you are happy with our current striker/strikers who might get 10 between them then so be it! League One here we come. It's not about being negative, it's being realistic! We seem to stand still again whilst others are buying impressively & we will end up with the drips & drabs who nobody else wants. It happens all the time with this club & I can't seem to remain positive when either we sell our best players & never replace them with quality or players want to leave which tells me that not everything is as sweet as the fans like to think. I hope I am proven wrong I really do.
L Sharp (Hampshire Red) - 17/07/2017
So true to form, Forest wait until the fans money is almost in and then go and sell one of there star players! How are they going to feel if Middlesbrough get promotion on the back of Britt's goals and Forest do not? Same as last season I'm afraid, when are they gonna wake up and realise that you have to hang on to any 20 goals a season man in order to win promotion. I was full of optimism for this season and was very tempted to buy a season ticket. So glad that I did not!!
Nick Moseley (Kegworth Red) - 17/07/2017
The reported fee of £14m doesn't seem bad business to me for a player who has difficulty understanding the offside rule and trapping a ball, and has spent much of his short Reds career on the treatment table banking his wages at a time of no interest elsewhere, and has, it seems, expressed no reciprocal loyalty. Such, with the admirable exception of the likes of Chris Cohen, is so often the case in The Cynical Game, not helped by the always unnecessary abuse shown by some "fans", which can't have helped. Whether his future goalscoring record will justify his new club's investment remains to be seen, but in terms of the Reds it must surely be good business for a player determined to leave, and hopefully provide a platform for a mobile quick passing attacking strategy, albeit perhaps somewhat lightweight at present. Whither Velios, alongside Brereton, plus two or three credible incomers, including a striker, dominant midfielder and defender? (That sounds easy!!!)
Red Riggie - 17/07/2017
Okay, Britt might be sold he might not (it does seem likely with all the press speculation-I accept that's not conclusive), but for fans to turn and complain about others making points that differ, makes me chuckle, why?:-
The point of this section is to express our opinions for the respective months of the year, on our beloved team. It's a tad double standards to moan about others when your doing the exact same thing. Moving on there are legitimate concerns if a player like Britt leaves let's NOT FORGET his goals kept us in this league last season, fans feel good factor is there at the moment, that could de-rail the moral (my opinion only). In addition we have to accept that we've been going backwards since the sale of Antonio, Burke, Lansbury, so I feel it only right genuine, caring fans have a say (as long as they are polite). I don't dismiss others opinions and like to read constructive points, but let's cut out the moaning stance. The owners, Manager and players will be judged by results, we all want them to succeed and we want premiership football.
Tony - Essex - 17/07/2017
I've said it once and I'll repeat it again. The moaners are causing too many problems at our club.
I'm positive about our future. The new owners are starting to do good things.
Either Britt has fallen out of love with the fans and wants away.
And after some of the vitriol against him, I can see why.
Or he's off to the premiership.
I would be even more positive if he were staying but he's not. What will I do about it ? Shout my support home and away in the hope a positive atmosphere helps the boys to play with confidence.
If your not careful,Ben Osborn could be next. 2nd in the assist table for our league last year. Asked to play in various positions. Covers the pitch like no one else and still gets stick from fans !!
I can remember John Robertson getting stick when he was a young lad breaking into the team and playing in midfield. He nearly left to go back home to Scotland !!
My advice to any player coming to Forest. Keep off social media.
We are a special club and with the right backing from those who own the club and the supporters we should be capable of achieving things.
But only by sticking together.
Never let the opposition see your divided. And never boo a player in the Garibaldi Red !
Hutcho - 17/07/2017
I find it extremely pessimistic of our fans to bombard this page with negative comments towards our board about the possible sale of Assombalonga. I don't think there is a fan out there that would like Britt to leave the club, we all know he is the focal point of everything attacking we do. But plain and simple if the player does not want to stay then what do you expect the club to do? Is he going to be any use to us starting him every week against his wishes?
Yes he signed an extended contract and in an ideal world he would honour that contract and play his heart out for us. For many years though we have said to players like: Lansbury, Antonio etc, 'Just stay with us another year and we will be up there at the level you want to be at' this has never materialised.
If Britt stays because he wants to stay then fantastic, best news all summer and better than any further signing we make. But if Britt wants to say ' ciao, adios, I'm done' then let's find the best deal for him ( 15m+) and bring in a striker that is already proven at this level.
Richard Unwin - 17/07/2017
The vitriol from some fans towards the club and its owners staggers me over pure press speculation. The majority of Forest stories, for instance in the Nottingham Evening Post, are complete drivel. When there is something to actually report on fact then the club will no doubt tell us.
Some of our fans need to get in the real world of modern day football. Only the top 3 to 4 of the Premiership teams are not selling clubs. Even they cannot fend off interest from the biggest clubs in Europe. So to say clubs can simply say no is a little ridiculous.
Andrew, Bristol - 17/07/2017
So here we are again and another season around the corner, but nothing has changed. Yet again we selling our best players to our rivals for a pot of gold. I for one am extremely angry and where's the statement form the club management because at the moment the silence is deafening.
Why is no one coming out and telling the fans what is happening or at least denying what is in the papers on a daily basis.
Optimism for the new season had returned and fans have sent a lot of money on season cards thinking we would at last have what looks like a team that could aim for the top six only to have the rug pulled under their feet.
Different owners but same story deplete the team of what is one of the best scorers outside the Premiership, just like last season when we sold Burke and look what happened after that debacle.
When are owners going to make a stand and say we are not selling as we have ambitions to get out of this league and into the Premiership?
Season after season we are rudderless and fans are sold out, it is time for things to change and rapidly or like last season we will be fighting relegation and fans will once again turn their back on the club as they did last season.
Garry, Rugby - 14/07/2017
(Note from the Editor - the above post is solely Garry's opinion. No Nottingham Forest player has currently been sold this summer.)
Selling Assombalonga makes no sense what so ever assuming we don't need the cash. Even if all of the money was pumped back into the replacing him, it still makes no sense what so ever!!!! Unless the player has asked to leave, we do not need to sell. Who are we going to get in all honest to replace him for 14 million? If we have any ambition likes the likes of Boro etc, we must keep hold of him & refuse any offer for him! If our ambitions are just to stay in the league again, I say sell everyone & just replace them with journey men again. Seriously, if we are considering challenging for top flight football, we must keep hold of our best players otherwise we WILL be the laughing stock of the Championship again.
L Sharp (Hampshire Red) - 14/07/2017
Message to the new owner,
If you sell Britt for £10m/£15m or more, can you buy a player as good? History has informed me we can't (the names mooted in the press so far have done nothing to convince me we would be better off, I accept its just speculation from the media).
So far it's been a good start with season cards and already pre-season friendlies are drawing the crowds back, do you want them to continue and buy merchandise and start to believe the new owner means serious business?
I can confidently inform you that if you sell our best striker then the pressure is on you, the manager and the rest of the team.
The other thing I'd like to draw your attention to is that fans are getting fed up with the speculation over Britt (read the fans/supporters opinion on social media), put an end to it and say 'he's a Nottingham Forest player and he's NOT for sale👏👍 unless you pay £25m'. That would warm you to the Nottingham Forest faithful and send a message out that you want promotion.
Let's then get a left back and another central defender/midfielder and get on with challenging for the play-offs this year, failing that autos the next year.
If we need money (that's the normal argument, there are other players we may need to move on and the defensive record shows where and why this should be done). There was nothing wrong with our attacking play and that's what kept us up, so make changes and sell and tinker with the weakness of this team and that is the defence, I'm not quite sure why we've not addressed this yet, anyway I like the new manager a lot, but I don't have to have a football qualification to know where we need to strengthen (defence) as the stats don't lie from last season.
If you do this I'm confident this is good advice 👍👍👍👍🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 and wish you all the best.
Tony, Essex - 11/07/2017
I hope that I'm wrong, but reading the tea leaves, I suspect that Britt is on his way. Last month I said that the Club should insist on negotiations starting at £15m and Boro look desperate enough to pay that. Whether a Premiership side will meet or surpass that level remains to be seen. I can see that a move to the Premiership could be tempting, but a move to Boro would, I think, be ill advised in every respect.
The lack of statements ref the situation from either the player or the Club is, I believe ominous. Combine that with the total lack of Britt featured photos or references about him from the training camp leads me to believe that things are afoot behind the scenes. Combine all of that with the Vellios move to Greece seemingly on hold and I'm prepared for the worst.
I want Britt to stay, preferably for at least a year, or until at least Christmas. But if I am right, the decimation of Huddersfield was achieved without Britt, by using a speedy, fluid and effective strike force.
We may have to remember the F A Cup winning side, when Tommy Wilson ( centre forward) and Roy Dwight ( winger) both goal scorers, switched position so frequently and effectively that they bamboozled opposing teams. We may just have the strike resources to replicate that scenario. Hope I'm wrong and that Britt stays, as I'm sure so do all true Forest fans.
Towcester Red - 10/07/2017
Every player has his price. Britt's has to be £15-£20M, plus extras (plus probably the amount we have to give to Posh). With FFP we probably can reinvest half of this. That could be a tidy investment if spent wisely. It probably isn't going to find another striker with Brits return. How much of the Burke £13M is still left in the coffers????
On paper as far as FFP is concerned we should be OK this season, even if in practice Fawaz has pocketed most of the £13M, as is his right. I think we can afford to keep Britt and make a decision in Jan re selling. If we are playing well and challenging we may see a £15M gamble as worth it for the riches of the Premier league. If we are mid-table and below we may feel we need to cash in and give ourselves 6/12 months to find a replacement.
I don't see many 25+ goals a season strikers out there. If you have one you are probably in the top 6 in the league, regardless of the rest of the team. From a personal point of view having forked out alot of money for season tickets, I would like to see the strongest team possible on the field, that includes BA.
I say keep Brit and review at xmas. Alternatively we could sell Vellios, Lica and Perquis for £15M to Olympiacos and problem solved.
William Peacham - 10/07/2017
Look it's quite simple. Owners can just say Britt is not for sale. End of.
If we sell him it's another season scraping along the bottom again. #justsaying
Adele McGuinness - 07/07/2017
A section of the crowd were quite harsh on Britt when he came back into the side. The derision in the home game against Derby being especially vocal.
It would not surprise me if this comes into play when Britt makes up his mind as to his future.
Premier League football being the biggest pull obviously but come on guys! You won't know what we had until it's gone. An out and out predator.
So I do hope Britt stays because although it was saddening to hear the jeers there are thousands of us who know something special when we see it and understand that you don't just spring back from a career threatening injury.
If the club is driving the sale behind the scenes then that's a different matter. But if it's down to Britt, I hope he gives the doubters a bit of slack.
He should have been given it!
All the best.
Hutcho - 06/07/2017
Tony in Essex, totally agree with everything you say. I am simply stating that when the player's agent and player see the pound signs, all Forest can do is make sure they get a good fee. There is no standing in the way of these deals going through and making players stay.
I would hate to see Britt go to an average, premier league club or worse still a Championship rival with the ridiculous financial muscle from parachute payments after relegation from the PL. I hope he stays and we can fend off the interest, as moving forwards is impossible when we constantly lose our star players.
I personally was getting really excited for the new season but this kind of disruption will only set us backwards.
Andrew, Bristol Red - 05/07/2017
Andrew in Bristol who has stated (in June) if the Club sell Britt, fans like myself should accept it and have a reality check. In reply I say this is why Nottingham Forest have struggled and it's been the downfall of the Club. What I can say confidently is that by selling our best player season after season we have not been able to replace them, being specific Antonio, Burke and this is reflected in our league position and the panic emergency loans etc. The other point is when players have been sold, in my opinion I'm not convinced in the past the Club has got the best price. It's about time we start saying NO, especially if a players on a long contract.
Tony in Essex - 02/07/2017
I hope we will see the new players that Frank is trying to do deals for in the coming weeks. I appreciate it is not good reading rumours about Britt, obviously the club want to keep him, however if a player gets his head turned then we have to accept he will leave. We should not blame the club spurting lack of ambition and all the nonsense that blinkered football fans no doubt will, without fail.
We need to be realistic and not convince ourselves the club is always at fault. All football fans need a reality check on the football industry. All the club can do is try to retain these players but if we do lose them, we must not do what the previous regime did last season, lose your star player and then get loads of rubbish ones to replace him!
Andrew, Bristol - 29/06/2017
So here we go. Another season of let's sell our best player at the start and then wish we hadn't at a later date. We need to add to the squad with quality and hope the owners respect what the fans want. The fans have shown with sales of season cards they expect to at least to keep their top scorer but in the end money will decide that one. Let's push for top 10 by Xmas then play-offs. So far not many additions to the squad. Does that mean MW is happy with the players he has? We shall see. COYR.
RED BRAD - 29/06/2017
Can the new owners please make a statement to other clubs that things are different, how?
Very simple, 'Don't sell Britt'. It's about time we start to build and challenge for promotion, what's the point in selling our best players and then spending millions on average players. Last season proved how important Britt was and its as obvious as the nose on your face you need a quality striker to stay up or get promotion.
Anthony - Essex - 27/06/2017
I like many others feel there are big improvements going on behind the scenes. Fans have shown their loyalty with the amount of season cards sold. However there are going to be big issues if we sell our top scorer to a rival team. Let's look at his goals last season, if it were not for those we would have been in League One once again.
Money is not the be all and end all, something good is happening and fans are coming back to the fold. So why go and spoil it at the stroke of a pen?
£10million sounds a lot but after Peterborough have their share that's a good chunk gone. Lets look are the alternatives, keep Britt and he scores a bucket full, even more fans will turn up so increased revenue. Say we make the top six, we could be lucky in the play offs and a massive cash injection to boot.
So I hope the powers that be listen to the fans and we can all have a great season.
Garry, Rugby - 26/06/2017
Just a couple of days into the pre-season and already the jackals are circling, with Britt firmly in their sights. Boro, coffers bloated by massive parachute bonuses, followed by Huddersfield and Burnley backed by the huge TV rights cash, it seems.
Our new owners have done an excellent job so far by putting in place a much-needed admin structure and placing their faith in a management team that looks to have a great master plan and the abilities to put it into an effective outcome. Even the good old City Ground has had a much needed lick of paint, all of which has resulted in a huge boost of optimism amongst one of the most loyal fan bases in the country.
To sell Britt at this point would deflate the positive feelings at a stroke. And for what? Presumably it is too soon to say that this year we are in danger of falling foul of FFP regs. If that becomes an issue then address it in January. Our new Commercial Manager will have his negotiating hand weakened by the loss of probably the best predatory striker in the league, when finding new sponsorship deals.
If Britt goes now there do not appear to be realistic replacements available in the marketplace. If there were then the bidding clubs would be looking to them, but there aren't. We would be left with two very promising but inexperienced strikers to shoulder the scoring burden, if as expected Vellios returns to Greece.
So please think long and hard about these consequences. Bidders will undoubtedly see Britt's knee injury as a way of bargaining down the price, but should the reluctant decision be that Britt is sold on, then if Ollie Burke, after a mere handful of game fetched £13m, then realistically bidding for Britt should begin no lower than £15m + sell on clauses. Anything lower and EMs reputation as a top negotiator will be dented. Hungry, predatory strikers are rare as hen's teeth. Let us hold on to ours for as long as possible.
Towcester Red - 26/06/2017
I know we are preparing for a new season and the squad needs shaking up after last season's poor form. 'Yes the squad needs trimming down and if reports are true that's what our new Manager wants (I do like him-first time I've agreed with this appointment since Billy departed), but quality is required and my point being-don't sell Britt.
He is a very important player to Nottingham Forest (I'd like to hear him say he wants to stay as well), if we are serious about promotion keep him and sell other squad players surely it's about time we learnt from past errors and sales for example, last season it was Oliver Burke (the best player I've seen depart for many years, so exciting and worth paying to watch), the season before Antonio (him and Britt were awesome) and yet all we have historically done is spend less money on players not as good and then panic with various loan supposed stella signings.
Let me be frank, the options up front excluding Fryatt (who's been injured) are very good, in fact what kept us up! In this division and more importantly what can deliver PROMOTION . We need to re-structure the defence and its urgent in particular please address the LEFT hand side and add some metal/height to the midfield, with quality.
Anthony - Essex
Really like the new site, a lot of the dross has been taken down although I'd love to see the 'Where are they now?' feature return.
The 'Team' section is now a lot easier to interrogate. Under the four headings, firstly 'Goalkeeper', I think we look pretty strong. Under 'Defender', its easy to see our weakness. I can't choose a strong back four from these guys and - Pinillos gone, Lam still here!!?? This is the area IMO of greatest need.
'Midfield', some good players here but again, an area that needs strengthening. 'Strikers' - again, not bad but, could do with another striker bringing in. I note Matty (who?) Fryatt seems to have finally hung up his slippers?
Looking at each section though, the word 'INJURIES' is always there. Can the coaching and medical staff take a real hard look at why we seem to have a worst than most injury record?
Can't wait to see some good signings coming in for what is expected to be a far more exciting season. 2-4-6-8 who do we appreciate.....
Dave Gee (Leicestershire Red)
We now have a group of young players from the Premier League who have achieved a great success winning the Junior World Cup, but now what happens when then same Premier League clubs just spend silly money buying up the best players in the world rather than nurturing this untapped source that are already in their clubs.
My point is that we have a two-tier system of football in this country with one system having all the money and then the Championship (2nd Division) being restricted with money problems and FFP Rules. How can the third team in the Championship go up via the play-off's to go up into the Premier League and also get the most money pay-out?
This leads us to Forest and how can we compete in this environment. The answer is to take our time and build from the Academy and not sell players on just to balance the books. We probably have more players coming through from the Academy than ever before what with Jordan Smith, Joe Worrall, Ben Osborn, Jorge Grant, Matty Cash and Ben Brereton all having played games in our first team.
Furthermore there are other young players like Alex Iacovitti, Anel Ahmedhodzic, Ryan Yates, Toby Edser and Tyler Walker knocking on the door and being given 1st team squad numbers. I am sure that by promoting younger players we will also encourage further young players to sign up into the Forest Academy. Just look at Southampton as an example.
We have in the past relied on trying to emulate the Premier League clubs by buying in as the answer to all our woes. Unfortunately we have not been alone as Leeds has also discovered. Let's hope that this club has now seen the light (I believe the Manager has) and continues to promote our young players to achieve first-team status and for the supporters to realise that this is the way forward by vocal support at matches because these young players will make mistakes but will learn from them.
Come on you Reds just enjoy the game!
I do quite like the new site. As ever it will take some getting used to, but, we have all the time in the world before the new 'promotion chasing' season!
Come on you REDS!
A very encouraging open letter from the new chairman to all supporters and whilst there were no rash promises, or time limits, there was a great deal to suggest that we would be put back on the rails again after a very long period of utter rubbish in all aspects of the club.
I am particularly encouraged by the suggestion of involving the supporters in the way the club should be ran and although it wasn't specifically mentioned in the chairman's letter I do sincerely hope he includes the disabled supporters, who I believe they get shoddy treatment from our club.
I can give just a couple of examples that need rectifying at the first available opportunity :
1) The supporters club (headquarters branch) hold their meetings at the boat club on the side of the river and the only access is via a staircase! Wheelchair users cannot get in!
2) Our club has used the same coach company for away games for years but they cannot accommodate wheelchair supporters, whereas we should be telling them that unless they have accessible coaches then we shouldn't use them.
3) If our club ever gets to an important game, to be played at Wembley for instance, then not only is there no accessible coach, but there is also no disabled parking should the disabled get together and organise their own coach!
I could quote many other situations that cause problems for the disabled and I have been offering advice to the club for the past 20 years with some success but we are always accommodated as a last resort and quite frankly it is not good enough for a club with the standing that we have. Obviously there are considerations to be taken into account on both sides but we all support the same team and whilst I appreciate that "Level Playing Field" says that it is an organisation who represents both club and supporter, I fail to see how an organisation that doesn't attend Forest matches, doesn't travel with Forest Supporters and knows nothing about how our club operates can say they are a fair representation of either our club or it's disabled supporters. So I'm hoping to see an improvement for our disabled supporters sometime in the future.
An inspired open letter to the fans from the new chairman. Detailed, certainly, encouraging, ambitious, without a doubt. If successful the long-term result will be a credit to the club and a beacon for others to aspire to. The only reservation, (though undeniable), the reference to working within FFP and possible difficult decisions that may need to be taken. Presume this means possible sales to balance the books. I hope this does not mean that some of our prize assets will have to be sacrificed along the way.
An outstanding letter from our new Chairman: eloquent, professional, candid and inspiring with what seems a very practical vision for the future. I'm even more pleased I bought my two season cards already and I hope all of our fans can get behind the new 'team' at Forest. These people seem to know what they are doing and whilst it won't all be plain sailing as the Chairman says himself, I doubt they will be reaching for the panic button at the first sign of a problem and I guess, nor should we. I'm looking forward to next season already with hopefully, suitably managed expectations.
Ian Emerson, Lincs
As well as possibly bringing in three or four new key signings, I'm sure that Mark Warburton will be looking to add quality at modest costs. Jorge Grant is very interesting in this context. His time at Notts County appears to have improved his level significantly. MW will not have had the chance to assess him as a potential squad player, but if he signs the three-year contract offered, he will be involved in a full preseason and possibly friendlies to prove his worth. If successful he will be in the squad, if not a further loan spell at NCFC will give him the chance to show if he could become a potential long term successor to David Vaughan. Surely Forest are considering an approach to RB Leipzig. Ollie Burke looks prime to go out on loan to fulfil his early promise. Where better than at the club that developed his talent and where he would join academy, now first-team players, he knows well in the Championship side, in the city where he is well regarded. The type of adventurous play that MW proposes, means that this loan could be a marriage made in Heaven.
I wonder whether this isn't a result of the Fair Play rules. I imagine the new owner and the manager will want to bring a few players in, so they need some headroom. Assuming Pinillos regards his home as Spain rather than the UK, to maintain his current wages in Euro terms, he'd need something like a 20% pay rise in pounds Sterling. And the club is having to fork out extra for Zach Clough too. It seems to me that the manager has been sensibly lowering expectations about lots of exciting business during the transfer window. We've lost our loanees, of course. A squad which is significantly smaller will also see more players released and hopefully a few quality players brought in. No doubt we will all have our views on who these players should be, but we've got a manager with a proven record, who seems to wish to play the right kind of football, and for all that we know what we see on the pitch or on the screen, he's the professional who finds work or unemployment by his ability to get the right blend in his squad, develop the right tactics for a variety of circumstances and to motivate the players. It has always seemed to most difficult thing to me to get the blend of players' abilities and tactics right. Conte seems to have done this as Chelsea, while Guardiola and Mourinho haven't in Manchester...yet. No doubt things won't go as smoothly next season as we all hope, but we surely don't want yet another new manager or two during the course of the season, do we? The prospective new owner appears to be more experienced in football matters than the current owner. So let's hope he doesn't panic when we lose a few games, as we undoubtedly will. Let's get behind the team and use our positivity to help them rather than criticse the moment something goes wrong.
I agree with Essex Anthony, why are Forest keeping Fox? I hope a few others are going but Pinillos was not the one I would let go. If it's because of injuries then there are many more in the same boat and some have not played at all. So I'm sorry to see him go. Has MW got another Pearce in mind? Hope so but Fox is not that person. Let's make some good buys and shoot up to the top next season. COYR!
Hi. Just read that Daniel Pinillos could be departing for pastures new, quite surprised as he's been fantastic, unlucky with the injury, however showed Nottingham Forest his quality when he returned. I'm scratching my head how Danny Fox is being kept (I know he's helped out at centre back and done okay), just not as good as Pinillos, hence why we seemed more assured with him in the team. Anyway, if reports are true I'm sad to see him depart and wish him the best.
First, well done MW and the team, you all played your hearts out, you knew what was at stake, stay up or go down, and other results helped you on your way! Forest have a great fan base one of the best I do believe both home and away.There has been a lot of disappointing moments this season both on and off the pitch, lots of disappointing performances and some great ones but us fans have kept loyal and that win against Ipswich has given us hope for next season we now need to rebuild and move on never ever to be put in that position again, we were before the match on Sunday! As with the outgoing owner/chairman(I do hope he is selling up totally) Fawaz, I have posted many items about him in the past, ok he has put money into the club but that is what owners are supposed to do!. He bought the club on a whim because he reckoned Forest was his passion and he could take us to glory once again, it's sad that unfortunately he had no idea on how to own/run an English football club and over his 5 year tenure nearly took us down instead of up! I do hope that man has learned a lesson or two because we the fans have learned many a lesson about incompetency!! We are glad that we bought our Forest 150 years celebration shirts without the word "Fawaz"emblazoned on the front so we can let that name just evaporate into history! Well a good luck wish to MW and all the players and backroom staff until the start of the next season in August. COYR
Best wishes to all Forest fans.
Ian & Colin Barringer
SW Forest Fans
It has taken me three days to sober up from what was a great day on Sunday and now in the cold light of day not only was I proud of the players and the management but also our supporters who showed that there are no better in the country. I said at the time of MW's appointment that I felt more confident than I had for a long time that we had the right man in charge and I like many look forward to next year with the strange feeling of optimism running through my veins (along with Sundays alcohol) and all I hope is that the new owners let MW do what he wants to get us challenging at the right end of the table next year. Thanks to all who have contributed to the forum over the season, we may not agree with each other all of the time but the one thing that we all have is our love of our team. Happy summer to everyone and lets spend our holidays, whether it be Skegness or San Tropez lying in the sand dreaming of why might be next season.
Red Royston, Retford
OK, I was wrong! I said that Blackburn would probably win, and they did. I said I thought that Forest would fail to deliver under the immense pressure of the final day. After watching the first half through my fingers, the penalty and second half showing was a revelation. Well done the players and manager on the type of display that will warm our hearts, if it can be sustained into next season. The no nonsense culling of underperforming loanees and the release of lesser quality squad players is to be applauded. Mr. Warburton and his staff have introduced a style of play that the fans will love and get behind. The core squad left have skill, energy and enthusiasm. The trick now will be to keep our prized assets, adding a modest number of quality additions. Let us also thank messrs Brazil and Lester, not only for their excellence in the academy, but for picking up the reins and getting the first team fitter and motivated. Without them we would have been too far adrift for MW to bring about our survival. As we say farewell to Fawaz, let us remember that despite the many faults of his tenure (and there have been many), without his investment the club, by now might not exist, so give thanks for that at least. The way things are looking now, I am more optimistic than I have been for many seasons. Have a good summer, signing off for now.
Very very well! Thats it, we are safe for another season in the Championship league! Believing was the whole magic. As I said in my previous post, this Ipswich game might give us something to talk about for maybe a few more years to come! I seen the game on TV, and soon I realized that the way Forest were playing they were going to dig out a result. First goal came right in a perfect setting, and team went into dressing room with a certain confidence. The other goal by Cohen was a superb one that gave us more strength in the front line. When Assombalonga missed that penalty, I said oh well! But luckily he made up for it by scoring the third. Then, and only then I was releived, like most probably many and many other fans. Now that a change is iminent, hope that it won't take very long. If Mr. Fawaz is to go better if he goes now, so that the club will be settled sooner rather than later, and with a program of pre season, along with training and new signings, the club will start next season on a very strong base. We as supporters must believe and give our full backing at ALL times! If you love Nottm Forest, you must love it, in good times as well as in the bad times. It's a kind of marriage that if you love this club you do the best in many ways. We may critisize where it may, being destructive is not the right approach. Therefore being a united entity team and supporters, we can advance to see our beloved team where one day it will be! Very well done to all the team & supporters as well as to Mr. Warburton, a very bright future with our club. Happy summer hols to all!
Fan from the Med (Malta) Geno Camilleri
Wow, what a way to end the season! My nerves were all over the place and it all felt so emotional. The atmosphere was the best in many a season, the players did us proud and the fans were exceptional. We now need to build during the close season and our recruitment needs to be really thought through. No more panic buys, no more cheap foreign players, we need players who can add to the squad with genuine quality and who want to play for this great club of ours. We now have a manager who knows how football should be played and who has the experience and where with all to move us on. I am realistic that promotion won't happen next season but huge steps will be made if he is left to get on with his job uni pended by a Menlo maniac owner who can't let people who know how to run the club properly. Cannot wait to see where we can go next season.
We turned up in our numbers and did it the Forest way also known as the hard way. I for one never doubted the ability of the squad to get the job done when it mattered. A great day it would be good to see the CG rocking like that next season because we are at the other end of the table. Didn't see who got player of the season. Now we need a good summer on and of the pitch and go again next season.
Ed. Yesterday was one of those 'I was there...' games; one of the most memorable at The City Ground for over a decade. The sense of euphoria at the end was incredible, heightened by the realisation of how close we had come to the drop. What I will remember above all is the sense of unity and community among the fans; all 4 sides of the ground coming together as one in a sea of red. If Fawaz ever needed telling how much this club means to us – the fans – it was plain to see yesterday. For the first time in years, it really did feel like a big club. Well done to MW and all the players, especially to Jordan Smith and Britt who were immense; you did us proud!
Phew. Hope this takeover happens quickly & no last minute hitches. We quickly need to move forward. Important that we have a pre season. Get them in early to get fit. Because you don't need me to tell you it's a tough league and we have mostly been found wanting. Do not want to go through that again. My blood pressure can't take it! Hard lines to Blackburn. We mustn't forget how easily that could have been us today. However we have a reprieve and go again in August.
Well we made it! Man of the match was given to Assombalonga and yes he scored two - missed a penalty and perhaps deserved the accolade having had a far better game. However in my view we shouldn't lose sight of the fact Jordan Smith made two superb saves in the first half and with the scores at 0-0 kept us in the game. So what can we all look forward to now? Forest fans certainly don't want to see a long drawn out so called possible take over of the club. If once again nothing happens in the summer we will end up with no new signings and another desperate fight to avoid the drop into division one. The Reds supporters deserve something better than what has been happening at the club both on and off the pitch for far too long now. Although we'll all have a smile on our faces when we read the papers tomorrow let's hope the present owner soon realises there is nothing more left for him to do at the once very famous City Ground.
John Rider (Old Timer) Worksop
Dear Ed. 'Probably' the best performance of the season! Smith is a god and Assombalonga is our ticket to progress in next season! COYR's
A VERY pleased, Southern RED
Whatever happens on Sunday will define the near future of this club, and I hope despite all the doom and gloom from some fans we pull off the great escape, put the name of our current owner into the vaults of the abyss (never to be mentioned again) and restore honesty and integrity back into the club. This club needs a stable structure on which to build and if that means getting rid of some of the higher earners then so be it. MW needs time to build a team in his style, which is attractive, attacking football. I hope the new owners give him time to get things right. Forget the past, the trophies, the glory days. Whilst they were good when it happened its time to live in the 21st century and have a club and ground that befits the good name of Nottingham Forest.
P Parr, Carlton
LAST CHANCE SALOON! Well it's the last throw of the dice to save our season and possibly the club. If we go down we can see out top 5/6 players leaving the club, Fawaz will strip the club bear to recoup his money then sell to the Greek bloke who will possibly continue to ruin us further. Please let us stay up and JJM come back in for us and Fawaz to sell to him this time, then he can rebuild us properly. We need a good financial head, a strategy for where we are going, and a proven manager to get us out of the Championship. are in a mess, we need saving otherwise we will be constantly be known as a selling club, a production line for the top flight, to save us from financial ruin. I will be watching on Sunday hoping for the best, but fearing the worst, the players need to be on it from the start don't let us down as we never stop supporting you! COYR!
Nice one Phil Jackson! Some optimism at last. The problem with Fawaz is that he listened to the fans too much and tried to give us what we wanted. Even now its started, MW tactically weak etc etc etc. Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course, particularly where football is concerned but knee jerk reactions are not the way forward. Sacking managers because the fans [or some of them] demand it cannot be the way. 'Don't like the football, tactics are faulty, substitutions iffy'..... When the great BC was manager during the enormously successful years the football was sublime. That was then, this is now. We are a bottom of the Championship side and have been for many years including a long spell in League One. We have to cut our cloth accordingly and sometimes we have to sacrifice some of our 'super football' qualities to scrap for a win or a point. Thats the way it is. Stop living in the past. Now is the reality. I don't care a damn how we win against Ipswich so long as we win and to those who tell us we deserve to go down then if we do, enjoy yourselves moaning through the League One season. COYR!
So the CG looks like it is heading towards one of the biggest crowds of the season. We probably all worked out we just have to match or better Blackburn and if Blackburn win by a larger margin than us hope Birmingham lose simple. So am I the only person that is looking forward to Sunday, yes we could have and should have long since been safe. However Ipswich at home with nothing to play for nothing against Ipswich but even kids for a quid and I think a half full CG and a dull game. I have maintained all season that our squad is far better than our league position, for me I have faith in the team doing the job on the pitch and have no doubt the fans will do the job of the pitch. So sorry Blackburn and Birmingham its between you two because we will not be joining Wigan and Rotherham. Just hope the summer can then bring stability behind the scenes and in August we can start talking about football again and not matters of the pitch. We all share that same passion to see our team perform on the pitch and our club run in a proper and professional way.
I was there May 2nd 1959, the match was televised. I was there for the 2 European Cup Finals. Both matches were televised. We won the League Cup 4 times. I was there for 3 of them. All the matches were televised. Can we please stop this infantile "We never win when the cameras are there?" The cameras are at EVERY match in one form or another. I believe passionately that we will beat Ipswich. I also believe both Birmingham and Blackburn have more to worry about. Just in case I am wrong I will be buying a season ticket to come and see the Reds next season. 62 YEARS on. Kind Regards to all.
Dear NFFC supporters, Can you just for once, this once; believe that our team can survive in the Championship!? And if accidentally we will drop down to League 1, so what! Haven't we before played three seasons in that league and we came up again?! It is true that this season wasn't the very best that we all expected. Have not other well off teams experienced something similar before? But we are there to survive, like other teams who are in this same waters, our team is going to do its best to produce that game (at home) to retain our place in the Championship. So come on dear friends, keep your chins up for next Sunday, and lets hope that we win that particular game. Perhaps of all the season's, that will be the game against Ipswich, that will give us supporters something to be happy about. Wish a very good luck to Nottm Forest, and to Mr. Warburton and to the fans that will be at the City Grd. on Sunday. Hope they come out of those gates at the end of the match with happy faces, brimming with smiles and hopes for the future of our beloved club. Be positive! After all this, happy summer holidays to all!
Fan from the Med (Malta)
Dear Ed. I have just returned from the awful performance at QPR. I have heard the manager. Is he completely deluded? His team selection tactics and worse still his substitutions were shocking. We simply never once looked like scoring. I feel so sad for Brereton, made to play right side midfield then taken off as he doesn't get a chance, really?? He leaves the awful Cohen and Osborn on who both just looked like they were treading water but takes off the lively Carayol, and bring on the totally ineffective Mills a centre half when we need a goal. I counted one shot on target the whole game, the two saves the manager refers to, one was going well wide anyway. Cash should be sacked for the effort when clean through with time to have a touch and he skews is off the side of his boot, not even Sunday league standard. We cannot play under pressure. We WILL be relegated and the manger should take 60% of the blame. I will be there to see the ultimate demise as will many. Sad.
Sutton Red (in Exile)
Hi Ed. Our fate has been sealed with the announcement that our last game will be before the cameras! Whenever Forest play in a televised game, they blow it big time. It seems like they just cannot handle the big occasion. Also I'm sick of the players announcing before a game that they "have trained well all week", "We are in the right frame of mind to get a result" etc. Just what planet are they on? We are a rubbish team and have been for the majority of the season. If Mr. Warburton cannot motivate the team, then there's no hope at all. It's looking increasingly like League One next season. Thanks Fawaz!
New days dawn for Forest. Maybe a new owner, maybe League 1, maybe survival in the Championship? Whatever happens it is always the same great club. Owners, managers, players, come and go, but Nottingham Forest FC and it's loyal supporters remain!
Last game of the season. Sorry but I'm in the pessimistic camp, you couldn't have a better team to let you down as they have for season upon season. Attended several games when last in League One so I know where Walsall, Oldham etc are. Distraught am I as I raise my half-empty beer glass.
Drogheda Red 69
So it all comes down to the last game and MW is confident that his side can achieve the win to secure another Championship season. I wish that I could share his optimism. At times in their own mediocre season, Blackburn have shown the grit and resolve to gain ugly, vital points when it really matters. Forest on the other hand flatter to deceive against table topping opposition and are unable to do the job when under pressure or against more moderate teams. I hope for the best, but fear the worst, as of the two teams staring into the abyss, I feel Blackburn are more likely to produce on the day. Reluctantly, I feel that next season at Sixfields (Northampton Town) locally I shall be able to see The Reds playing in Div 1, shorn of players like Brereton, Britt, Osborn, Cash and Worrall. I just hope I am proved wrong.
Unfortunately the set of results today said everything there is to say about Forest: Birmingham scrap to beat their opposition with only ten men; Blackburn grind out a result against an in-form Villa; even Burton Albion got a point away from home (well done Nigel); we play true to form and go down to yet another away defeat to a team that hadn't won for half a dozen games? The manager is talking about us needing to 'start taking our chances'.......never mind 'start', there's only one game left for us in this division. If I understood his comments right, he thinks the players can handle the pressure: I think the set of results since he came in (and before) suggest the opposite is true and I really can't see them dealing with it next week. At the end of the day, the table doesn't lie and for all the talk about us having quality in the squad, we clearly do not have a team that is good enough for the Championship and I fear we are going to get what we deserve in truth and that is relegation.
Ian Emerson, Lincs
Unacceptable but expected result. I predicted QPR were not likely to lose 7 on the bounce. We are in deep deep trouble. It feels like the end of the line. Blackburn and Birmingham will be brimming in confidence ahead of the last games. The table doesn't lie. It has been a wretched season where we had a poor manager & a chairman who sold our best player and dithered making important decisions like sacking the poor manager and pulling out of the takeover. I guess we deserve to go down but it is hard on the fans who deserve better. Once we step into the football wilderness I don't think we will come back. The crowds will get lower and oh my god 1st round of the FA Cup and the football league trophy. Great. I wonder if the latest takeover will happen now? Run out of words. Sick of saying the same things week in week out. May as well be over. We need a miracle.
Once again the season draws to a close and we start to reflect. Personally when asked the question do you think you will go down? The same answer comes no, because for me we have a far better squad than our league position suggests. As has been pointed out we have beaten most of the top sides and injuries in defence have cost us, not to mention the four goalkeepers. Even so young Worrall has shown confidence at the back, goalkeeping-wise providing they are fit we have youth, experience and the long-term number 2/3. I will let you decide who's who. I think the summer should be spent not making wholesale changes but making sure we keep the bulk of the squad here and bring in 3 or 4 quality players.
Do we ever beat Holloway? And look at their recent record. 6 straight defeats means they are surely due a win, lucky 7 and all that. Please can we just grind out a result!!! Point to note. Having booked their playoff place tonight how interested will Huddersfield be at Birmingham on Saturday? #just saying. Get the job done Forest.
I think Dave Hilton has picked out the key issue this season, the defence. The problem has been the players brought in not being up to standard, Perquis and Lam. Also the constant injuries to Hobbs, Mills and Mancienne. We have not had any continuity at centre back. Come to that same with the left backs with Traore and Pinilos. To me it is not a surprise the struggle in that department this year. On the positive Worrall coming through means we do not need to hold onto all the centre backs we have. Along with the defence, we used a few different keepers as well! This is definitely a position I would look to recruit in the summer. Forest have far better players than the position in the table reflects. We have beaten many of the top teams this season. To be fair Brighton and the others have looked quite ordinary. There are no outstanding teams in this division. We need continuity and belief. What I fear most is a change of ownership leading to more instability. I hope we do not see wholesale changes on the back of any ownership change. That could write next season off as well as this. Another one in a long line of forgettable years. I am confident we will get a result in one of our last two games that will be good enough to keep us up. I believe MW is the best managerial appointment we have made in a very long time and will take us forward next year if off the field changes do not mess everything up.
Andrew, Bristol Red
Please Reds. Just for once, this season, follow a good winning display with another good (hopefully winning) one. Usually a positive effort has been followed by a lacklustre performance, negating all the good work done in the previous match. Just two good performances now should mean that you can enjoy a decent end of season party. You all know that it's time that you ended the deplorable away stats and surprised us all with a win. We all know that you should not be where you are with the squad you have, so carry through the new found confidence and put relegation fears to bed once and for all!
Second time on here, but i feel some of the Forest so-called faithful, are being too harsh, and their comments are only making it harder for the team/management to get things moving in the right direction. Continuous criticism will only damage team confidence, which at the best of times is fragile. Not too sure about the comments currently being thrown around, but lets look at the facts. We simply cannot defend, Rotherham are the only side to concede more goals than Forest this season. Statistically we are easily within the top half of the division when it comes to goals scored, so where does the real problem lie? MW will be good for the club and will keep us up, so less of the doom and gloom. With the backing of the owner/club, he will no doubt sort out the real issues, we need players that can DEFEND.
Well, can't fault the players for their effort on Saturday. Just goes to show it has always been there, it was all we wanted and Reading did not deserve their two goals but glad The Reds held on. We still have a way to go but its in our hands.
Hi Ed, There is an article on the web site front page that reads - we need the fans behind us. With due respect give us something to respect you for and we will get behind you! Lacklustre performance ain't the way to muster support. We will all accept going down if you at least show you have fight in your belly. That has not been apparent for quite some time!
Zach Clough calls for the supporters to get behind the Forest team against Reading. This is precisely what the City Ground faithful have been doing all season and always have! It is now time for the team to respond on the pitch, in the last 3 matches, before it is too late. Time, therefore, for some true Forest skill and fighting spirit to be displayed by the players!
Have to agree with Red Brad, Montanier was a complete disaster and how on earth did he come to be the manager of Nottingham Forest? It was an appalling decision to take him on board. I said it then and I still say it now, Dougie Freedman was a good young manager and should have been given the opportunity to take the club forward. DF managed the club throughout the embargo, a huge injury list and still managed to keep us safe from relegation. Following the dropping of the embargo he should have been given the opportunity to continue moving the club forward. I think Fawaz read too much Fan Talk and overreacted to the rubbish about the quality of football. You know, in particular the ones who said The Reds deserved to go down as the football was not to their taste [despite the issues DF had to contend with]. Be careful what you wish for as we are now staring down the barrel of a gun and the reality of relegation is not a good place to be. Let's just hope for a Great Escape and try and look forward to a future under MW. COYR!
These bunch of players owe the club & us fans the best possible performances of their lives in our last three games! You can almost see it now if we are relegated, players on the website saying rubbish things like "we didn't take enough of our chances", "if only little Billy sitting in Row Z had thrown the ball back to us quicker, we could have scored as we were on top at that point". The excuses will be "interesting" to say the very least!
L Sharp, Hampshire Red
Why is everyone upset about Forest going down (if they do)? The problem was the manager at the start of the season and how long he was given to destroy the team he had. Yes it's the owner's fault he took on a person who was not equipped for the Championship. PM seemed a nice bloke but had no answer when it went wrong. MW is a proven manager in this league but it looks like he has come too late to save us. Yes it will need the players to save Forest, the club that pays their wages. They have to show the fans some steel and go down fighting at least! The teams we are playing in the run-in will not give away anything so it is time to step up and fight, if not and we go down nobody should be allowed to leave, they must get us back up first and take a cut in wages until we are back. So come on, give it your all lads. COYR! Forest Forever!
It is the players on the field, the formation and the lack of adaptability to the situation when the game plan is not working, these are the main factors which leave our club on the edge of relegation. NOT THE OWNER.
Not good enough plain and simple. Should be ashamed.
I thank god I don't live anywhere near The City Ground as I would be arrested if I did. I hope now they get relegated as they don't deserve to stay up. Britt hasn't been the same since he had his baby and, apart from the academy players, none of them are good enough to even tie the laces of John Robertson, Stuart Pearce etc. Every day we hear empty words from all of them. Warburton should be going into the dressing room and giving them hell. Their wages should be halved now so they get used to it. How have we descended so low? Words just fail me. Perhaps Zola could come in now, and you can guarantee Birmingham will win their next game. How can we beat Brighton, Newcastle and Huddersfield yet lose to the shambles at the bottom?????????
Mike from Sussex
The manager is left frustrated say the headlines! How does he think us supporters feel? Is he getting the team dynamics wrong? Should Ben Brereton be playing down the middle? What about putting Ariyibi on the right, after Aall cometh the hour cometh the man! Yes, the football is pretty if you like the short passing game but there are times when a long ball over the defence will produce a goal. The manager has a lot of thinking to do before the Reading game, hope he gets it right.
On the 58th anniversary of my first ever Forest match - an Easter Monday draw against Blackburn - we go down to Cardiff and take another step towards the Championship exit. Unless players are played in position and to their strengths we will not survive. Why play a winger then put your smallest player up front and the gifted Brereton out wide or leave Vellios and Assombalonga on the bench? We've had forwards with no service - now we have possible service but no forwards in position to service! Playing games in a permanent stage of catch up is a recipe for disaster.
RT Upper Clough
That's it. Had enough. I cannot see where our next point is coming from. Cannot believe it was just over a week ago we beat Huddersfield. Looks more and more likely Forest will be playing the likes of Bury, Walsall, Rochdale, Rotherham next year plus that Football League Trophy. Absolutely fabulous. Is this what Fawaz meant about a five-year plan to get out of the Championship? What an utter shambles of a season. Starting to wonder if its worth it anymore. I've done 40 years and can't remember many seasons as bad as this one.
Well well well Mr. Fawaz et al. You will very soon become the proud owner of a disgraceful football club in the Third Division; no not the First Division but the Third. You have taken this club far during your tenure, unfortunately all the way DOWNWARDS. We true & real supporters are having to live in the past because with you at the helm; we have no future. This was once a football club who could take on any other football club in the world with an 90% chance of success. Nowadays it's the reverse. This is a parlous state of affairs for a City that could once boast we are Champions of Europe. TWICE! Go back home Mr. Fawaz asap and leave the club under a better stewardship. You Sir are not wanted and haven't been for some years. Next seasons average gate anyone?
St Wilfrid's Red
I would like to think that our current owner reads the emails on the fans page and realises just what a negative impact he has had on the club since his tenure. His ownership has been nothing short of a mitigating disaster with inept decisions and unprofessional conduct. The club is in free fall and if rumors are to be believed and a takeover is imminent then I would welcome this once great club being progressed both on and off the field. For years the club has be one in decline. The club lived on it's past glories without moving into the 21st century. Smaller clubs have surpassed Forest and have grounds that befit the Premier League. Forest languish in their belief that they have a divine right to be in the premiership given their history. The ground is tired and the facilities are poor. The potential new owners need to get things right to restore pride in the club but it will take a long time to right all the mess that the current owner has made. The club needs a massive revamp internally and externally from top to bottom. I just hope that this season isn't remember for us being relegated as this would sum up the owners inadequate ownership
P Parr, Carlton
Well well well, doesn't that result just sum this season up. A fine win against Huddersfield and not up to the task against a side worse than us. I knew we would lose the moment someone said they had not won in 7. How often is it lucky 8. If Burton win later then 4th bottom it is and fighting Blackburn to stay up. It'll go to the last game. I feel we are waving goodbye to the championship and I wonder if Mr Marinakis will be interested in a 3rd division club.
Pathetic pathetic pathetic!!! Sums us up I am afraid! None of you are fit to wear the shirt! Utter disgrace once again by these overpaid pre-Madonnas who clearly do not give a monkeys about this club! I really hope my message is posted because this is how virtually every single Forest fan is feeling right now. Come on, a makeshift Blackburn team and you still couldn't cope with them! Sleep well guys because I know I won't! Pathetic excuse for a football team!
L Sharp, Hampshire Red
I said recently that I felt the appointment of MW gave me confidence about the future and after watching the match and the way we played and the chances we created I was taken back to great days gone by. We could have scored half a dozen and Huddersfield who are a good team had no answer to our passing and playing style. This is how I have wanted to see the team play, creating chances whilst limiting them to speculative shooting. Performing like this we would be a match for anyone in the Championship. The potential is there for next season as long as Fawaz does not sell our young stars. I for one cannot wait for Good Friday. Well done to all the team and management. Feeling happy on Saturday nights and Sunday mornings is something I could learn to live with.
What a performance and result at a critical time & felt sweeter as Blackburn lost. Ward is the type of player you need in a relegation scrap & he was in Huddersfield's faces all afternoon. Please Fawaz, whichever league we find ourselves in next season, DO NOT sell this crop of youngsters as next season will be all the better with them in the team.
I really hope that a representative for Forest is at Huddersfield tonight taking notes etc! Otherwise I only see one team winning & that isn't Forest...
L Sharp, Hampshire Red
Forest are going to be relegated. No surprise really. The club has been in turmoil for 20 years now. We have little or no strong leadership and there are clearly deep-rooted problems that need solving. The team lacks fortitude, drive and ambition. Bunch of softees who haven't got the will to win. At this stage of the season we can't afford to be experimenting with methods of play, team selection or formations. We simply need points on the board. Nothing fancy, nothing too elaborate, points. If you require an illustration of how to get the most out of a group of players, look no further than Burton Albion. Modest team, modest budget and modest set up. Play for each other - week in, week out. They will stay up because they have the right attitude, spirit and ambition. They find a way to win. Forest don't. We are going to be relegated. It will be a shame and it is going to be a long journey back. I just hope that the people that count, are ashamed of themselves. I know I would be!
Well, here we are with just six games remaining and dangerously close to possible relegation, which would be a disaster for our beloved club. However, on a positive note, four of our remaining games are at home, so how about we forget what has happened throughout the season so far and get behind the team at "Fortress City Ground", thus making it as difficult as possible for the visitors. The home game against Blackburn is clearly a "humungous" fixture which could decide our fate, but it could even come down to the final home game against the "Tractor Boys". Come on you Super Reds supporters, lets not go down without a fight.
Realred (Almeria, Spain)
Whatever the eventual outcome at the end of the season - relegation or not - think the current management should keep their jobs. If relegation happens, then Fawaz will no doubt sell the club, maybe to the Americans, for a knockdown price - possibly no bad thing! A fresh start, with a brighter future for Forest? Relegation shouldn't happen with the resources the Reds have, but who knows? Am still optimistic we will be seeing Championship football at the City Ground next season - it is up to the players to make it a reality!
Once again by the grace of God we avoid the bottom 3. Our luck will surely run out. I assume Wigan are going down so we are fighting with Blackburn, Bristol and Burton for the right to play in league 1 next season. In this fight we are doing well. Expected more after the Preston game but deep down knew we would be hard pressed to get even a point. Can we pull off a miracle and beat Huddersfield and follow up with a win against Blackburn? I am sticking my neck out and saying it's unlikely. Is Hobbs back for the next game? I see we are another defender down now. Talking again of the defence as I have all season...Thanks Monty, this is your legacy having unpicked the defence that kept us up last season. I see Derby are making great strides under Rowett. #just saying.
So by the grace of God we avoid the bottom 3 again. We don't do well away to Preston so I would have taken a point but it ought to have been 3, why do we throw so many leads away? I do think under PM and possibly GB the last 2 games would have ended in defeat so I think small steps are being made with MW. Only trouble is we need big steps. Burton shocked Huddersfield so let's see if we can. In the meantime Wolves away is an horrendous fixture and they have picked up form so I would be happy with a point there. Are Hobbs and Mills anywhere near to comebacks? Still not sure we will stay up. Poor Rotherham. Shows you what Neil did for them last season and does each time he is hired.